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Gas Drilling Debate is Done

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Fishizzle, I use worms but I'm looking to upgrade!
The EIS comment period is over, so I’m done debating about gas drilling – at least here. I thank everyone who took the time to write to the Gov, DEC and DRBC. I believe we all made a huge difference. I hope this means good karma, fine hatches, and giant rising trout next spring for all of you…

One final thought: please go to the below link and read the letter by the DEC’s OWN UNION OF SCIENTISTS AND WORKERS about the draft EIS on gas drilling. I can’t paste it in, so you have to go to the link. It will take you two minutes to read. Anyone who reads this and still thinks drilling should go on as currently planned… well… I've got nothing more to say to those folks…

Here’s the link: http://www.theithacajournal.com/assets/pdf/CB1492221229.PDF

Bye!
 
The debate is over. That's great. Who won?

I can't wait for the anti-fishing interests to chime in. Next thing you know PETA members will start to dominate threads pushing their anti-fishing agenda as well.
 
One final thought: please go to the below link and read the letter by the DEC’s OWN UNION OF SCIENTISTS AND WORKERS about the draft EIS on gas drilling. I can’t paste it in, so you have to go to the link. It will take you two minutes to read. Anyone who reads this and still thinks drilling should go on as currently planned… well… I've got nothing more to say to those folks…
Bye!

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How disingenuous!

Do you think that anyone here believes that if this union had said "This dGEIS is the most earth protecting document in the world so full steam ahead with drilling", you'd be so quick to have everyone here believe their words?

God love you.

Let me add to that...

SO, when this union says that the document is "okie dokie", of course since you think of them as the experts, you'll be all for drilling in Peas Eddy?
 
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Let's review:

NYDEC: Wants to scrap the EIS
US EPA: Has serious problems w/EIS
NY DEC Union: Asks for 1 year moratorium and has serious issues w/EIS
Kilgour and FF: Full steam ahead!!

You guys seriously crack me up!!
 
Let's review:

NYDEC: Wants to scrap the EIS
US EPA: Has serious problems w/EIS
NY DEC Union: Asks for 1 year moratorium and has serious issues w/EIS
Kilgour and FF: Full steam ahead!!

You guys seriously crack me up!!
People use the media to blow things way out of proportion... If the media says, "We spoke with an expert from the Intergallactic Federation of Meteor Research today and here's what he had to say.... "The earth will be destroyed in 6 days by a 150 billion ton meteor, that's right folks, 150 billion ton meteor, that we've been tracking for the past 4 years. The earth is in its path and there's no way avoiding this collision.

Please spend these next few day wisely with your family and friends."" Some people will actually run with that because after all, "an expert" said it. The problem is... People run with the "Experts" comments but never question who the expert is or where the expert received their expert status.

FF... Thanks for asking the questions... We never know what's on the opposite side of that telescope, do we? What you don't see in this picture is house fly at the other end.

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Really?

Where did you read that?

So to review:

SO, when this union says that the document is "okie dokie", of course since you think of them as the experts, you'll be all for drilling in Peas Eddy?

You're right -- my mistake.

NYCDEP wants to scrap EIS...
 
FF... Thanks for asking the questions... We never know what's on the opposite side of that telescope, do we? What you don't see in this picture is house fly at the other end.

Fear is a powerful motivator.
People fear what they don't understand.
There are those that will use what people don't understand to create fear, but the success of their agenda depends upon the people NOT questioning what they are told.

One should not fear the guy ASKING questions in search of the truth, one should fear the guy who won't ANSWER questions truthfully. ;)
 
Discussions involving gas drilling unfortunately turn into politics here. My advice is stick with as much of the fundamentals of fly fishing as you can, unless wasting your time is on todays agenda. Some people really like to get into it (been there, done that). Bottom line is any debating goes nowhere on this site.
 
Discussions involving gas drilling unfortunately turn into politics here. My advice is stick with as much of the fundamentals of fly fishing as you can, unless wasting your time is on todays agenda. Some people really like to get into it (been there, done that). Bottom line is any debating goes nowhere on this site.

Translated you dont like to engage in debate with anyone who doesnt agree with your view. You keep recycling the line above plus occasional dig. Sounds like instead of debating you like to do basically...nothing.
 
Translated you dont like to engage in debate with anyone who doesnt agree with your view. You keep recycling the line above plus occasional dig. Sounds like instead of debating you like to do basically...nothing.


Guess you dont translate well, huh old pal? Macfly, first off, why bother posting to me? Secondly, after one realizes that certain debates are never going to change the minds of certain people or get anything at all accomplished, they then become nothing more than a waste of time. Especially when its with a person who is in no position to get anything done anyway (such as yourself). Im all for a good debate, but eventually some debates become pointless arguments, like the ongoing one you like to have with me, which by the way is getting really old. And yes, Id rather do "nothing" than argue with someone like you who has nothing better to do than get into on a computer almost everytime Im on this site. Dont you have.. I dont know, ANYTHING to do to keep you more occupied? Have fun doing what you do best.. not really debating, but arguing and posting childish and false accusations. I have to go do nothing.

I doubt you are still full of witless humor and putdowns in person, but I guess hiding behind a screen is where some of us belong. Have a good one buddy.
 
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Guess you dont translate well, huh old pal? Macfly, first off, why bother posting to me? Secondly, after one realizes that certain debates are never going to change the minds of certain people or get anything at all accomplished, they then become nothing more than a waste of time. Especially when its with a person who is in no position to get anything done anyway (such as yourself). Im all for a good debate, but eventually some debates become pointless arguments, like the ongoing one you like to have with me, which by the way is getting really old. And yes, Id rather do "nothing" than argue with someone like you who has nothing better to do than get into on a computer almost everytime Im on this site. Dont you have.. I dont know, ANYTHING to do to keep you more occupied? Have fun doing what you do best.. not really debating, but arguing and posting childish and false accusations. I have to go do nothing.

I doubt you are still full of witless humor and putdowns in person, but I guess hiding behind a screen is where some of us belong. Have a good one buddy.
I see a common theme with you but can't put my finger on it.
 
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I see a common theme with you but can't put my finger on it.
Yes, Im Mr Negative when it comes to Macfly's bashing posts. Glad you could jump on in and point that out. If you actually read my first post in this thread, I was pointing out the fact that many of these threads about drilling, fracking, global warming, etc just end up getting messy with members and thats exactly what I caused to happen by simply saying that (accidently). I apologize for even posting that because of what it stirred up. I should have known better than to even open this thread so I'll leave it to those who wish to continue this wonderful "debate." Have a great time doing so.
 
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Guess you dont translate well, huh old pal? Macfly, first off, why bother posting to me? Secondly, after one realizes that certain debates are never going to change the minds of certain people or get anything at all accomplished, they then become nothing more than a waste of time. Especially when its with a person who is in no position to get anything done anyway (such as yourself). Im all for a good debate, but eventually some debates become pointless arguments, like the ongoing one you like to have with me, which by the way is getting really old. And yes, Id rather do "nothing" than argue with someone like you who has nothing better to do than get into on a computer almost everytime Im on this site. Dont you have.. I dont know, ANYTHING to do to keep you more occupied? Have fun doing what you do best.. not really debating, but arguing and posting childish and false accusations. I have to go do nothing.

I doubt you are still full of witless humor and putdowns in person, but I guess hiding behind a screen is where some of us belong. Have a good one buddy. wrong again Im actually quite a guy in person and very funny to boot. But Im sure you are not suggesting that I come out from behind the computer screen. I mean you have so many more important things to do dont you.

Bigbow you are so full of cr@p its almost pathetic. As for putdowns you best check your own behavior before calling out someone else and hey you have been hiding behind the same screen. Debates are about affirming or re-affirming your beliefs in a subject. If you can adequately defend a position against all questions or objections than your position is sound (This assumes you can be objective in the process) and you can obtain what is called decisive awareness. Its not about being in a position to do anything about it...whatever it is. Your post seems to suggest that one only debates if they are in a position to do something about it. I find that position to be very self limiting and frankly flat wrong. If you cant get on a board and exchange some views without complaining or in fact do what you like to do which is call end of game then perhaps your position isn't that strong to begin with. As for seeking you out on this forum...HaHa..that is the funniest thing you have said so far. Have a wonderful day Bigbow
 
Thanks, but EVERYTHING you "affirm" in every one of your "debate" posts is strictly from a republican point of view. That's fine with me, but don't call them debates when all the info you post is one-sided and closeminded. Im neither rep or dem, but find it pointless to bicker with someone about politics on a fly fishing forum. That's what I was telling the person who began the thread. Maybe we'd get along better if we just talked fishing on a different thread. These dumb posts are taking up space so Ill be done here. Peace
 
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Thanks, but EVERYTHING you "affirm" in every one of your "debate" posts is strictly from a republican point of view. That's fine with me, but don't call them debates when all the info you post is one-sided and closeminded. Im neither rep or dem, but find it pointless to bicker with someone about politics on a fly fishing forum. That's what I was telling the person who began the thread. Maybe we'd get along better if we just talked fishing on a different thread. TPeace
hese dumb posts are taking up space so Ill be done here.

How about you take a moment and look through some of the discussion after you exited the conversation? Its wonderful to label me a republican but its about useful as me calling you an environmentalist wacko. Since you find it such a waste of time I recommended a couple of green energy opportunities one could avail themselves of..Like Citizenre or the zerofootprint project. The difference is that these are innovative ground up groups are providing unique solutions and not top down government mandates. So in short what I am about is not relying on the heavy hand of government to solve a problem. That didnt comport with your view so you started in with the personal attacks...not moi!! If you dont want to participate in the discussion than your entitled not to participate but why label it as useless just because you dont like it??? I have no animosity towards you..we can agree to disagree and still talk about fishing on another thread.
 
Every time I see this headline I quick read it as "Gas Grilling Debate is Done." For the record, I prefer charcoal grilling. Not briquettes, natural lump charcoal.

Now that's a debate worth having gas Vs. charcoal grilling.
 
Every time I see this headline I quick read it as "Gas Grilling Debate is Done." For the record, I prefer charcoal grilling. Not briquettes, natural lump charcoal.

Now that's a debate worth having gas Vs. charcoal grilling.

Beef its whats for dinner:)
 
Well, this guy seems to think that the debate's over. But if what he says comes to pass, I bet there will be more debate... :)

State ban on gas drilling unlikely | recordonline.com

By Steve Israel
Times Herald-Record
Posted: January 11, 2010 - 2:00 AM
Don't look for the state to heed calls to stop or slow down gas drilling — even though the requests have come from such powerful interests as New York City, the Environmental Protection Agency and a union of Department of Environmental Conservation workers.

In the just-ended comment period on new regulations for gas drilling in the Marcellus shale, which sits beneath Sullivan County and much of the New York City watershed, many of the approximately 12,000 responses urged the state to scrap the regulations and redo them. Critics want new rules to ban drilling in the city watershed and address such issues as pollution from the horizontal drilling method, known as "fracking," and cumulative impacts.

But scrapping the regulations that allow drilling isn't likely to happen, says Gov. David Paterson's office.

"We need to wait and see what the final GEIS (Generic Environmental Impact Statement) is like," said Paterson spokesman Morgan Hook. "Calls for bans or further delays are premature. Why would we scrap the work done over the past 12 months?"

While neither the state nor the DEC would specifically address New York City's call to ban drilling in its million-acre watershed, a sliver of which sits in Sullivan, the DEC has said a ban would be illegal since about 70 percent of the land there is privately owned.

It "would limit the mineral rights of the private property owners," DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis said in testimony before the state Assembly.

Plus, the DEC points out that all watersheds deserve equal protection. Banning drilling in one area could a set a precedent.

"The premise of the DEC's job is to come up with something that is protective of watersheds everywhere in the state," said DEC spokesman Yancey Roy.

The proposed regulations don't do that, says a prominent drilling opponent, who called the rules "fatally flawed."

"Their job is to protect the environment, and the fact that they're not is a travesty. The EPA knows it, the city knows and the DEC union knows it," said Ramsay Adams, executive director of Catskill Mountainkeeper.

Still, those regulations are meant to satisfy Paterson's energy plan, which includes drilling.

Some gas companies feel the rules "in certain areas go too far and place New York at a competitive disadvantage with other states," said Brad Gill, executive director of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of New York.

Finding the middle ground between environmental protection and economic development is the state's task.

"The goal is to listen to both sides and strike a balance," said Paterson spokesman Hook.

sisrael@th-record.com
 
Well, this guy seems to think that the debate's over. But if what he says comes to pass, I bet there will be more debate... :)

State ban on gas drilling unlikely | recordonline.com

By Steve Israel
Times Herald-Record
Posted: January 11, 2010 - 2:00 AM
Don't look for the state to heed calls to stop or slow down gas drilling — even though the requests have come from such powerful interests as New York City, the Environmental Protection Agency and a union of Department of Environmental Conservation workers.

In the just-ended comment period on new regulations for gas drilling in the Marcellus shale, which sits beneath Sullivan County and much of the New York City watershed, many of the approximately 12,000 responses urged the state to scrap the regulations and redo them. Critics want new rules to ban drilling in the city watershed and address such issues as pollution from the horizontal drilling method, known as "fracking," and cumulative impacts.

But scrapping the regulations that allow drilling isn't likely to happen, says Gov. David Paterson's office.

"We need to wait and see what the final GEIS (Generic Environmental Impact Statement) is like," said Paterson spokesman Morgan Hook. "Calls for bans or further delays are premature. Why would we scrap the work done over the past 12 months?"

While neither the state nor the DEC would specifically address New York City's call to ban drilling in its million-acre watershed, a sliver of which sits in Sullivan, the DEC has said a ban would be illegal since about 70 percent of the land there is privately owned.

It "would limit the mineral rights of the private property owners," DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis said in testimony before the state Assembly.

Plus, the DEC points out that all watersheds deserve equal protection. Banning drilling in one area could a set a precedent.

"The premise of the DEC's job is to come up with something that is protective of watersheds everywhere in the state," said DEC spokesman Yancey Roy.

The proposed regulations don't do that, says a prominent drilling opponent, who called the rules "fatally flawed."

"Their job is to protect the environment, and the fact that they're not is a travesty. The EPA knows it, the city knows and the DEC union knows it," said Ramsay Adams, executive director of Catskill Mountainkeeper.

Still, those regulations are meant to satisfy Paterson's energy plan, which includes drilling.

Some gas companies feel the rules "in certain areas go too far and place New York at a competitive disadvantage with other states," said Brad Gill, executive director of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of New York.

Finding the middle ground between environmental protection and economic development is the state's task.

"The goal is to listen to both sides and strike a balance," said Paterson spokesman Hook.

sisrael@th-record.com

Balance what a concept:)
 
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