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Fido's got to go

I mean, it's for the environment: the link and choice excerpts below:

Maybe Pro Publica could investigate...

Polluting pets: the devastating impact of man's best friend - Yahoo! News

Polluting pets: the devastating impact of man's best friendby Isabelle Toussaint and Jurgen Hecker – Sun Dec 20, 3:23 pm ET
PARIS (AFP) – Man's best friend could be one of the environment's worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle.


Combine the land required to generate its food and a "medium" sized dog has an annual footprint of 0.84 hectares (2.07 acres) -- around twice the 0.41 hectares required by a 4x4 driving 10,000 kilometres (6,200 miles) a year, including energy to build the car.

To confirm the results, the New Scientist magazine asked John Barrett at the Stockholm Environment Institute in York, Britain, to calculate eco-pawprints based on his own data. The results were essentially the same.


And pets' environmental impact is not limited to their carbon footprint, as cats and dogs devastate wildlife, spread disease and pollute waterways, the Vales say.

With a total 7.7 million cats in Britain, more than 188 million wild animals are hunted, killed and eaten by feline predators per year, or an average 25 birds, mammals and frogs per cat, according to figures in the New Scientist.

Likewise, dogs decrease biodiversity in areas they are walked, while their faeces cause high bacterial levels in rivers and streams, making the water unsafe to drink, starving waterways of oxygen and killing aquatic life.

And cat poo can be even more toxic than doggy doo -- owners who flush their litter down the toilet ultimately infect sea otters and other animals with toxoplasma gondii, which causes a killer brain disease.

But the best way of compensating for that paw or clawprint is to make sure your animal is dual purpose, the Vales urge. Get a hen, which offsets its impact by laying edible eggs, or a rabbit, prepared to make the ultimate environmental sacrifice by ending up on the dinner table.

"Rabbits are good, provided you eat them," said Robert Vale.
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I think all the people involved with this research and article should voluntarily commit suicide. That would be the green thing to do. Thier bodies should be thrown in the ocean to add to the bio-mass, ultimately used by sea otters; the carbon emission of cremation or aerobic de-composition is horrendous. Perhaps I can find some appropriate eco-euro forums and post a sign-up sheet.

Charlie
 
pets are destructive, thats for sure...but you can't compare a dog to a hummer...a vehicle has no carbon footprint, the owner/driver does; compare a dog to a person and youll see we should be offing ourselves (faster) instead of worring about a few canines.

7.7 million cats in britain...and 62 million people...what's the bigger issue?
 
This is what happens when you have nothing better to do or are not creative in any way. You spend time and energy on non usefull material like this. On the bright side this will probably get PETA fired up to attack these people. Sit back and watch to useless groups go at it.
 
This is what happens when you have nothing better to do or are not creative in any way. You spend time and energy on non usefull material like this. On the bright side this will probably get PETA fired up to attack these people. Sit back and watch to useless groups go at it.

Get them fired up? You remember the big honcho from the HSUS that was interviewed with Vick right before he got back into football. Well this guy's real agenda, and he's on record with it, is to end dog ownership (and all pets in general) in America. He thinks he can do it within one generation I believe. And yet so many dog owners that were outraged at Vick blindly support this guy and his group. His name escapes me or I'd post it but I think he's the President or executive VP of HSUS.
 
Hi Ryan:

I am a Dog and Cat owner and this is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever herd of. I am not a Michael Vick fan and believe he should have not been allowed back into football, but that another argument for another time. I just don't see how anyone could stop people from owning Cats and Dogs. Maybe next its to many toaster pastries are harming the ozone or a study on how polluted water can make you sick. I am not badgering or making fun of you, I am making fun of such an obsurde thought coming from a supposed educated man called an elected official. Lastly, on a high note most of the past and present Presidents are dog owners. Don't you think that the Chief and commander would VETO such a ludicrous bill. In closing as a question, why are people like this looking to animals or cows or nature as part of the problem? We have created the true problem at hand with green house gas, bad air quality monitoring and so on, but we won't do a thing about it because it all comes down to money and who recieving the bribary.
 
Wow... I have dogs! KLG, SIT... SIT KLG. Good boy, KLG... Wanna cookie? Gimmie your paw.... Good boy KLG... Good boy. You can kick and scold him and he always comes back for more. Now that's a friend.
 
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Hi Ryan:

I am a Dog and Cat owner and this is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever herd of. I am not a Michael Vick fan and believe he should have not been allowed back into football, but that another argument for another time. I just don't see how anyone could stop people from owning Cats and Dogs. Maybe next its to many toaster pastries are harming the ozone or a study on how polluted water can make you sick. I am not badgering or making fun of you, I am making fun of such an obsurde thought coming from a supposed educated man called an elected official. Lastly, on a high note most of the past and present Presidents are dog owners. Don't you think that the Chief and commander would VETO such a ludicrous bill. In closing as a question, why are people like this looking to animals or cows or nature as part of the problem? We have created the true problem at hand with green house gas, bad air quality monitoring and so on, but we won't do a thing about it because it all comes down to money and who recieving the bribary.

I didn't think you were making fun of me at all. I just saw the topic and remembered this nutjob acting all high and mighty with what he pexpects out of Vick and then reading into his background for the real truth on him. Is what Vick did despicable and criminal? You betcha, but he's definitely paid the price for his crime and done his time. As a dog owner, I personally have no problem at all with him playing football again. Vick doesn't bother me anymore, the HSUS does.
 
Ryan:

With HSUS agreed. Far as vick, you are right about him paying for his crime. Just stop and think a minute. Would your old employer allow you to come back and work for them after you get out of jail. Every one that truly is trying to turn things around does desrve a second chance. I just feel when your in the spot light where kids are watching is just a defferent situation. Anyway it's always a pleasure talking to you my friend.
 
Everybody stop having babies, for that matter. Babies burp and fart too much. And consider how much gas you burn diaper shopping, how much fossil fuels are burned making baby food, how many hectares it uses to heat that extra room in your house. It only gets worse as they get older, and possibly even procreate, making further generations of - ick - people. Babies = disaster.
 
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It's a non-issue for me...my dogs eat their own poop!

:beingsick:
 
I mean, it's for the environment: the link and choice excerpts below:

Maybe Pro Publica could investigate...

Polluting pets: the devastating impact of man's best friend - Yahoo! News

Pro Punlica investagate?? Then you'll love this one:

American Thinker: Cheap Natural Gas and Its Enemies


Cheap Natural Gas and Its Enemies

By Ed Lasky

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[FONT=times new roman,times]A vast reservoir of clean-burning natural gas could be available at reasonable cost in the coming years, freeing us from some of our dependence on imported energy. Yet there are those who consider such a development a threat.
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[FONT=times new roman,times]A small [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]group of billionaires[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] (and mere multimillionaires), formed under the aegis of the Democracy Alliance, has amassed a great deal of political influence in America on behalf of the Democratic Party and Democratic politicians. Among the more important members of this "club" are George Soros and his liberal allies, Herbert and Marion Sandler. The latter two are billionaire beneficiaries of the mortgage bubble who [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]timed their exit[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] from the savings and loan industry before the bubble popped. They went on to fund (with George Soros) the [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Center for American Progress[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] -- otherwise known as Obama's "idea factory." [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]One other venture that the Sandlers started is a media group called [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Pro Publica[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] -- an outfit supposed to "engage in investigative journalism" and provide its findings to larger media outlets for greater impact. These "exposés" are provided at no cost to newspapers (and others), who, in an era of cutbacks, are happy to have good copy written by respected journalists. Free material is a no-brainer. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]But why would the politically active Sandlers suddenly enter the media world? Perhaps it's because they realize the political and financial benefits that can flow from influencing the news. We may be seeing a sample of this type of handiwork now. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Among the first "exposés" Pro Publica undertook was an attack on energy companies for developing the Marcellus Shale, a vast natural gas reservoir stretching across several states. The "exposé" focused on putative environmental effects that might result from tapping these reserves. The technology used to unleash this natural gas from the shale in which it is trapped is called "fracking." Energy companies inject water, sand, and drilling fluids [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]into the rock [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]to "crack" it and release the natural gas. The potential for this technology is huge: America is a vast storehouse of this type of gas. Much of this is located not just in the Marcellus formation, but throughout the Rocky Mountain states. Also, the Barnett Shale region of Texas and the Bakken Shale region of North Dakota are rich with this type of natural gas. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Fracking is a proven technology. Energy experts are now predicting this technology will help free us from dependency on foreign sources of natural gas. The quantity is so vast that there is even potential for substituting natural gas for petroleum in cars and trucks. Natural gas is a clean-burning fuel that can replace coal in electric power plants. Already, the impact of this technology is beneficial. The prospect of this huge resource being tapped for years to come has brought down the price of natural gas, both in the spot market (where it is priced now) and in the futures market (where it is priced for future delivery). Indeed, the price has come down so much that the publicly held exploration and production companies that focus on natural gas have seen their share prices weaken. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Exxon Mobil was so entranced with the prospects of this technology that it has offered $31 billion dollars for XTO Energy, an energy company that has vast reserves of shale gas that can be tapped at a relatively small cost through fracking.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]But there is one potential snag in the deal: Exxon can walk away [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]if laws are passed[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] that restrict the use of fracking. These laws would be a response to claims that fracking can harm the environment. Already, Representative Ed Markey (D-Massachusetts), Chairman of the House Energy and Environmental Subcommittee (of the Energy and Commerce Committee -- the Russian-doll nature of Congressional committees and subcommittees can be mind-boggling) has called hearings into the Exxon-XTO deal. He will focus on the environmental concerns related to air pollution and water contamination (fracking uses water).[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Now how coincidental is it that the Sandler-funded Pro Publica focuses on "fracking" as their inaugural topic? The Sandlers have no apparent experience in or knowledge of the energy industry. Why not have Pro Publica focus on other investigative topics -- say, the savings and loan crisis and the malefactors of great wealth who made out like the proverbial bandits? We know the answer to that question, but maybe we have an inkling of why Pro Publica has been pushing the "fracking" story, and why Democrats in Congress are going along with the media/political campaign.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]George Soros is a pal and ally of the Sandlers. He also owns major stakes in energy companies that don't rely on shale gas for their revenue. These companies would be harmed and become less profitable if shale gas were released onto the market in the vast quantities industry experts believe are available through fracking. He also owns a major interest in InterOil, an energy company that has discovered a vast [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]natural gas find[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] in Papua New Guinea. The potential of that find is enormous and could lead to a very profitable export of liquefied natural gas to the American market. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]However, the potential value of InterOil and Soros's other investments would suffer if the vast reserves of shale natural gas that lie below much of America are tapped. Furthermore, Soros operates through a hedge fund domiciled overseas. We cannot know who his investors are. They are rumored to include some of the world's petrocrats, who also have a vested interest in ensuring that America's own energy resources remain undeveloped so that we can send our billions to them...but of course, only Soros insiders know.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Did Soros foresee the problem that shale natural gas might pose? He is a legendary investor who sees risks and reward years before anyone else. That is how he made his billions. Did he ask the Sandlers to have Pro Publica focus on fracking? Is he now using his vast influence with the liberal wing of the Democratic Party (symbolized by [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Congressman Markey[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times], also a pal of one of those petrocats, Hugo Chavez) to derail the potential of fracking? Will Soros use his influence with Barack Obama to command the Environmental Protection Agency to focus on the environmental consequences of fracking? Is he behind efforts by Senator Feingold (D-WI) to [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]give the EPA more power over water[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] resources throughout America?[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Of course, this is all conjecture. After all, George Soros and company are not the type of people who leave e-mails on servers or fingerprints on their plans.
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[FONT=times new roman,times]Ed Lasky is news editor of American Thinker.[/FONT]
 
I think you guys are looking at this all wrong. I mean you cant still own a dog or a cat..just follow that advice of those folks in New Zealand and eat your dog when the time is right. I mean who doesnt enjoy a little dog or cat. pair it with a nice Chianti and your set....Seriously though this is the kind of stuff that makes your head explode. Now if the global warming issue is so dire why isnt this being proposed as a mainstream idea. Why wasnt the discussion at Carbonhagen about how we could eliminate a major source of greenhouse gases by killing off all of our pets..well the non edible kind anyway. Why was the conference about how much money wealthy countries were going to give to poorer countries as well as to the UN to be a global monitor for greenhouse gas emissions.

You know come to think of it we could start our own export business. I can just see the menu in some of our Asia/PAC restaurants.Imported retriever flown in fresh everyday!!! Why we could create our own Green Jobs!!! Talk about having our pets and eating them too:)
 
You know this also leads to another issue surrounding most alternative energy sources. This is just a sampling.

Solar Energy Firms Leave Waste Behind in China
The byproduct of producing polysilicon destined for solar energy panels–silicon tetrachloride–is a highly toxic substance that poses environmental hazards.

Alternative Energy Projects Stumble on a Need for WaterSolar farms, biofuel refineries, and cleaner coal plants could consume billions more gallons of water every year.

Ethanol’s Water Shortage
Heavily subsidized and absurdly inefficient, corn-based ethanol already has driven up food prices
U.S. Senate’s plan to increase production to 36 billion gallons by 2022, from less than seven billion today, will place even greater pressure on farm-belt aquifers.

So you know that clean energy bill currently in congress allows ethanol production to be increased despite the knowledge that it is very inefficient. and damaging to the environment.
 
Ryan:

With HSUS agreed. Far as vick, you are right about him paying for his crime. Just stop and think a minute. Would your old employer allow you to come back and work for them after you get out of jail. Every one that truly is trying to turn things around does desrve a second chance. I just feel when your in the spot light where kids are watching is just a defferent situation. Anyway it's always a pleasure talking to you my friend.

I hear ya. Actually, depending upon the situation of course, some employers would allow an employee to come back to work after jail. Hasn't happened to me but I do personally know of a few people that were lucky enough to have that opportunity. Being in the spotlight he's also in a unique position now to tell kids things like- "If you screw up, you will be punished, no matter how big a sports star, etc. you are. Look at me, I had everything and threw it all away because I was stupid and committed a crime. I have nobody to blame but myself." Vick's actually doing that, visiting with kids around the country (especially in cities with known dogfighting cultures) and using himself as an example of "who not to be like." I give him credit for being honest like that and to me he has seemed genuinely remorseful both in deed and word.
 
Goes back to my point that we need a pragmatic approach to regulating and an understanding that no approach is going to be without some environmental consequences.

Well my Marcellus crack was kinda a joke; I agree with you.

What's interesting though, is if one mentions the possibility that some people a hundred or two miles away are making money using a process that injects some chemicalsinto the ground (with no evidence that the process itself will significantly harm the environment) and people are up in arms and writing letters to save the earth.

But you show them the impact on the environment of their beloved pets,

And pets' environmental impact is not limited to their carbon footprint, as cats and dogs devastate wildlife, spread disease and pollute waterways, the Vales say.

With a total 7.7 million cats in Britain, more than 188 million wild animals are hunted, killed and eaten by feline predators per year, or an average 25 birds, mammals and frogs per cat, according to figures in the New Scientist.

Likewise, dogs decrease biodiversity in areas they are walked, while their faeces cause high bacterial levels in rivers and streams, making the water unsafe to drink, starving waterways of oxygen and killing aquatic life.

And cat poo can be even more toxic than doggy doo -- owners who flush their litter down the toilet ultimately infect sea otters and other animals with toxoplasma gondii, which causes a killer brain disease.


and it's a ludicrous idea.

It seems if it is SOMEONE ELSE who MIGHT be responsible for harming the environment, well guns are blazin'. :)

People... never cease to amaze me.
 
I think you guys are looking at this all wrong. I mean you cant still own a dog or a cat..just follow that advice of those folks in New Zealand and eat your dog when the time is right. I mean who doesnt enjoy a little dog or cat. pair it with a nice Chianti and your set....<snipped>You know come to think of it we could start our own export business. I can just see the menu in some of our Asia/PAC restaurants.Imported retriever flown in fresh everyday!!! Why we could create our own Green Jobs!!! Talk about having our pets and eating them too:)


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I'm crazy about dogs and would like to have one. But it wouldn't be fair to own one because of my always-away-fishing lifestyle.

I am, however, very friendly with one "puppy dog" which I regard as being special. I'll think about how much of a polluter he is the next time he wants to play fetch and brings me his tennis ball, or when he's licking my face.
 
I'm crazy about dogs and would like to have one. But it wouldn't be fair to own one because of my always-away-fishing lifestyle.

I am, however, very friendly with one "puppy dog" which I regard as being special. I'll think about how much of a polluter he is the next time he wants to play fetch and brings me his tennis ball, or when he's licking my face.

Hey next time you see him just make sure you have some dry rub or some marinade and you know a match...just saying
 
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