Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
Well, that big collapse that will really shake things up may not be the alarmist nightmare that we all think it is.
you assume its a problem for one. If its a problem you assume it can be fixed number 2. If it aint broken, dont fix it. Well we're broken people. you might be broken but I feel fine.[/QUOTE]
What are you even saying here? Listen, Im not gonna get into politics on a fly fishing website. My only argument was that regardless of global warming or not, this bill is for a cleaner environment. Not many bills these days are perfect, but at least I feel we are heading in the right direction. Im not broken in the least beat, just a little worried about my future and the idiots I have to share it with. I can tell you're a hardcore republican, which is fine, but you sound pretty closed minded and pessimistic to me.
My only argument was that regardless of global warming or not, this bill is for a cleaner environment. Not many bills these days are perfect....
EHHHHHH. WRONG!
... this bill is to suck more money out of you and me as well as the rest of the country.
you assume its a problem for one. If its a problem you assume it can be fixed number 2. If it aint broken, dont fix it. Well we're broken people. you might be broken but I feel fine.[/QUOTE]
What are you even saying here? Listen, Im not gonna get into politics on a fly fishing website. My only argument was that regardless of global warming or not, this bill is for a cleaner environment. Not many bills these days are perfect, but at least I feel we are heading in the right direction. Im not broken in the least beat, just a little worried about my future and the idiots I have to share it with. I can tell you're a hardcore republican, which is fine, but you sound pretty closed minded and pessimistic to me.
Bigbow you are an absolute rip. You claim you arent going to get into politics but every other comments is a shot at republicans and quote unquote idiots you have to share your future with. Whats so hard to understand. You think this is a positive environmental bill. Your entitled to your belief. I believe its a monumentally flawed piece of legislation. I provided you with one of many clear example of why it is flawed. When I stated you assume its broken you know exactly what I am referring to. You assume there is climate change and b you assume we can fix it. If you assume for a moment global warming is happening you have to know that no one can even agree on what needs to be done to reverse it. No one knows how much greenhouse gas needs to be reduced. Some speculate that 60% from todays level is the number but they will tell you they really dont know. You think Im a closed minded republican. Really what you are saying is because I dont agree with your view Im close minded. Now doesnt that really make you close minded. Y
ou want to invest in alternative energy..great Im all for it. Incent folks to invest in the new techonology. There is absolutely zero need for a bill of this scale and for the impact it will have on our country. This bill is a tax on you and I and not a clean energy bill. LIke the stimulus bill and the omnibus spending bill it is filled with waste and is based on a flawed belief. Sorry Bigbow you are way off base on this one. The best one is your comment that no bill is perfect these days..>Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. Of course it doesnt really matter. Its an academic discussion. Its highly likely to pass. You can judge for yourself if its successful in a few years.
I'm still waitin' to hear how much some Company that spews out CO2 is gonna pay me per acre to grow trees... I'm hopin' to retire early.
PAY UP for your energy Fellas... I need a boat...
Where the hell you gonna plant more trees. You already have a forest up there. By the way you are going to have to compete with other countries around the globe. Some of the money from those carbon permits and offsets go to the international community. More goes to helping other countries transition to a carbon neutral economy. Still more about 5 percent will go to prevent international deforestation...Arent we a nice country????
(Hydes are for wussies) here I come!
They are gonna pay me to NOT cut my trees down. Trout Slayer 3000(Hydes are for wussies) here I come!
This bill and the healthcare bill and the illegal immigration bill currently being written are basically done deals now that the Sen. Franken will be seated probably next week. So while the discussion on this board goes on its really a foregone conclusion that we will have some form of nationalized healthcare, a new energy bill, and immigration bill. The fall session will likely see a run at social security reform. So by the end of 2009 (in the span of one year) its a good bet that you will have a radically altered U.S. of A.
WTF is a rip? If bashing Bush means Im ripping on Republicans than every American must be a blue collared democrat!! Not sure where you got all the republican bashing from, as we've had many excellent rep presidents and not once did I bash the party. I vote according to who I think will do a better job. Im worried about our future and people like you who are affraid of some change and have no bipartisanship. Done posting this thread.. enjoy.Bigbow you are an absolute rip. You claim you arent going to get into politics but every other comments is a shot at republicans and quote unquote idiots you have to share your future with
WTF is a rip?It means you crack me up..your funny...you make me laugh If bashing Bush means Im ripping on Republicans than every American must be a blue collared democrat!! Oh please you are politically naive if you are going to blame everything on the former president. How about thinking for yourself. Not sure where you got all the republican bashing from, as we've had many excellent rep presidents and not once did I bash the partyCalling me close minded because I dont agree with your view point. Im a hard core republican. Labels my friend whats with all the labels. Not once did I call you a tree hugger or an environmentalist whacko!!!. I vote according to who I think will do a better job. Im worried about our future and people like you who are affraid of some change and have no bipartisanship. Done posting this thread.. enjoy.You have not a single clue about what I think, believe or feel....None, Notta, zero....you arrive at your analysis simply because I dont agree with you.Thats a clear example of partisanship. You think you are the only one worried about the future. Concerned for our country. Please I served in the military for many years...I care more about this country than you will ever know...Dont preach to me about being concerned about our country. Typical you say your piece and sign off. Why not debate the issue if you feel so strongly about it. Perhaps its because you dont even know whats in the bill!!! Maybe its because you have your talking points from Keith Olberman and cant think for yourself...
So the facts are as follows. You posted and I replied with some facts in rebuttal. You didnt like the facts so you started name calling. I placed more facts in reply and now Im a hardcore republican afraid of change. In the midst of all of this I can tell you there are a multitude of ways to incent folks to alternative energy without a large energy bill like the one being proposed. Just as energy companies wrote the last one which was a waste..this one is written based on fault science and misguided views on how we can transform our energy dependence. Did you know that in more than 14 states there have been millions of dollars in grants given to spur development of alternative energy. DId you know that no less than 30 major corporations are spurring innovation on how to modernize our electrical grid where milliono of kilowatts of energy are wasted every day. I doubt you know much about any of it but instead of posting ridiculous diatribes on this board you might want to go educate yourself. Yeah your so open minded Bigbow!!!
So the facts are as follows. You posted and I replied with some facts in rebuttal. You didnt like the facts so you started name calling. I placed more facts in reply and now Im a hardcore republican afraid of change. In the midst of all of this I can tell you there are a multitude of ways to incent folks to alternative energy without a large energy bill like the one being proposed. Just as energy companies wrote the last one which was a waste..this one is written based on fault science and misguided views on how we can transform our energy dependence. Did you know that in more than 14 states there have been millions of dollars in grants given to spur development of alternative energy. DId you know that no less than 30 major corporations are spurring innovation on how to modernize our electrical grid where milliono of kilowatts of energy are wasted every day. I doubt you know much about any of it but instead of posting ridiculous diatribes on this board you might want to go educate yourself. Yeah your so open minded Bigbow!!!
Yep thats it.. I know nothing. My job includes dealing with politics and world views on a daily basis. Never name called so dont think I did and then cry about it. I said I have concerns on the future when people are afraid of new tasks set before them and it sickens me how our political parties cry over things that their people didnt necessarily come up with. You can assume whatever you wish about me. It seems you have nothing better to do than get into it on a website. Go fish my man.
Yep thats it.. I know nothing. My job includes dealing with politics and world views on a daily basis. Never name called so dont think I did and then cry about it. I said I have concerns on the future when people are afraid of new tasks set before them and it sickens me how our political parties cry over things that their people didnt necessarily come up with. You can assume whatever you wish about me. It seems you have nothing better to do than get into it on a website. Go fish my man.
Bigbow you are still a RIP
Thanks.. dont swallow that pole whole, Vern.Bigbow you are still a RIP
Thanks.. dont swallow that pole whole, Vern.
So much for not posting anymore on this thread. When you want to debate the topic let me know. Until then keep on believing in that change thats coming!!!!
more evidence for you tree hugging liberal hippies!! Where are your facts and proof that this is a great bill?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/08/epa-admits-cap-and-trade-won’t-work/
Those comments were under Bush. I really havent heard any of our new administrations remarks towards the protocol since the election, but I am eager to do so. Please post any new info you may find. I think it rediculous for ANY president to deny our involvement because of China and India's standpoints.. Yes they are countries troubling our environment, but for us to take our ball and go home because they wont play right is almost commical.The other night while watching one of the cable news program, they have the news banner that runs on the bottom of the screen, it seems EPA Administrator Lisa (Ilovebears)Jackson, has finally admitted they sat on th EPA report that disputed the climate change bill, and that the US bill will do nothing to reduce green house gases unless China and India pass a similar bill. I went through EPA press releases looking for this and couldn't find it. I think it may have been in her comments the other day when she testified before the Senate. But they haven't been posted yet on the senate webpage
Pat Buchanan is one of the most conservative political commentators out there. What is there to smoke here? Its biased. Theres two sides to every story.. dont forget that. Its fine to disagree here, but when it comes to politics theres always going to be various arguments and I dont think this interview helps yours much.This was on msnbc one of the MOST liberal networks out there. Stick this in your pipe and smoke it.
YouTube - RED ALERT: Climate Bill Is Transfer Of Wealth To World Government
That was under Bush. I really havent heard any of our new administrations remarks towards the protocol since the election, but I am eager to do so. I think it rediculous for ANY president to deny our involvement because of China and India's views.. Yes they are countries troubling our environment, but for us to take our ball and go home because they wont play right is almost commical.
MACFLY, this is exactly what I've been talking about. Its got to start somewhere and its simply BS to believe that they are the only two countries that can effect greenhouse gases, even if they are the pollution leaders of the world. The U.S. needs to take ownership of our envorinmental flaws. If you knew anything, you'd know Jackson is 100% behind this bill you hate so much! Your fabulous article is a bunch of mumbo jumbo from a republican senator who is giving his take of what Jackson actually stated about "the center of the chart." Wheres the whole chart and the rest of what Jackson stated? This article is cut and paste from a republicans point of view. How about giving one of the supporting democrats views, or are we just listening to republicans now? Higher taxes suck, but Jackson has stated repeatedly that fixing our environment will be costly on our part. Nothings free these days, including clean air.