Kick the globug habbit and start running beads.....

[ajfromnj]

Tom,

You are not getting my underlying point here. You used to fish barbed spinners and trout magnets on a spinning rod. Now you're telling people how not to "fly fish." Remember how you used to defend spin fishing? I also remember you telling me how much skill it took for fish those trout magnets.

I will be the first to admit that I have plenty of faults. But the very essence of what you posted is exactly what gets me upset about fly fishing. When you are trying to prove that you are better than someone, you put someone down to do it. Just BE better. If a guy is catching fish in the fly zone with beads fairly and releasing his catch, who cares. Now if a guy is snagging fish with a lo bug, then I will say something. Pick your battles. As long as the fish are being ethically caught on a fly rod who cares.

 

[Twism]

You are not getting my underlying point here. You used to fish barbed spinners and trout magnets on a spinning rod. Now you're telling people how not to "fly fish." Remember how you used to defend spin fishing? I also remember you telling me how much skill it took for fish those trout magnets.

I will be the first to admit that I have plenty of faults. But the very essence of what you posted is exactly what gets me upset about fly fishing. When you are trying to prove that you are better than someone, you put someone down to do it. Just BE better. If a guy is catching fish in the fly zone with beads fairly and releasing his catch, who cares. Now if a guy is snagging fish with a lo bug, then I will say something. Pick your battles. As long as the fish are being ethically caught on a fly rod who cares.

I still fish with spinners and trout magnets. I will never be a 100% fly guy. Nothing is wrong with them and they do require skill but thats not the point.

Im not saying im better then anyone, i think you are trying to get in a discussion of ethics. Beads are not flys, and not allowed in fly zones. Thats all im saying. It is small battle to fight, and there are bigger problems on the river for sure, but when im in the fly zone im only concerned with people breaking those rules.

I dont hold fly fishing on a higher moral ground then enything else.

 

[Simms]

IF you read the articles on bead fishing, the reason the beads are NOT located on the hook is because a trout INHALES beads(eggs), thus a nightmare to get out, with a possibility of killing the poor bugger. A bead which sits 1.25'' above the hook, even though NOT on the hook, is more ethical. The hook almost 100% gets them right inside the mouth where a pair of forceps is rarely needed...

I agree this really is NOT a fly, however, throw a bead without any weight on the leader and try to cast it... esp with 6 or 8lb test. As long as individuals are NOT snagging fish with them on purpose, I see no harm.

 

[JeffK]

AJ,

I'm pretty sure a bead is not considered a fly by NYS and using it with a fly rod wouldn't convert it. Plus the guys I saw using it were also rigging multiple beds where one hook is the rule. Like a couple of years ago at the Fly Stretch of the Housatonic I saw a guy clobbering huge browns with a #3 silver Mepps. Don't think a rod makes a Mepps spinner a fly either. I have no problem with either technique in general, but not in a FFO area. Fish tend to be suckers for techniques that they don't see very often. A worm, Rapala, or bead can be a lot more effective when a trout has never seen one before - like in an FFO area. Of course, sometimes they don't see many flies in open water and flies can be the hot technique when the Power Bait guys are getting skunked (as you have probably proved many times)- but that is legal.

BTW, Marty had a fit when he heard about the Mepps spinner thing.

 

[trico mike]

One question I have is that if the bead is placed on the line above the hook,when the fish eats the bead the hook swings around and hits the fish somewere be it in the mouth or outside the mouth or were ever. If the fish is not hooked in the mouth then would it be considered foul hooked and thus snagged? The fish never ate the hook it ate the bead above the hook.

 

[Twism]

One question I have is that if the bead is placed on the line above the hook,when the fish eats the bead the hook swings around and hits the fish somewere be it in the mouth or outside the mouth or were ever. If the fish is not hooked in the mouth then would it be considered foul hooked and thus snagged? The fish never ate the hook it ate the bead above the hook.

I believe any fish hooked on the outside of the jaw is considered foul hooked.

 

[Simms]

Been fishig beads for years...The hook 99% of the time is ALWAYS inside the mouth... Think about it... The bead goes in the 1.25'' (almost down the gullet) and the fishes(normally use beads for SLOB bows and steel) mouth is usually more than 1.25'' long... do the math..

 

[CTobias]

I believe any fish hooked on the outside of the jaw is considered foul hooked.

I am looking up the definition for a legally hooked fish for NYS....be back.....

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Im not saying there is a right or wrong way to fish an egg imitation on a fly rod, but there are glo bugs (hand tied FLIES) and there are... beads. Save them for all the pinners.

PSSSSSSSST.......beads were started by FLY FISHERMAN in Alaska. Not pinners.

 

[Twism]

Angling Definitions - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

"Foul-hooked means not hooked in the mouth."

So if the hook point penetrates the fish on the ouside of the mouth/ jaw that is foul hooked according to NYS.

I dont know much about bead fishing, so thanks. As long as they hook fish legitimately thats cool.

 

[CTobias]

Angling Definitions - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

"Foul-hooked means not hooked in the mouth."

So if the hook point penetrates the fish on the ouside of the mouth/ jaw that is foul hooked according to NYS.

I dont know much about bead fishing, so thanks. As long as they hook fish legitimately thats cool.

They must have changed it. I remember reading in the handbook a few years back that is was within 1" of the mouth. Probably because of all the snagger running around in ny

 

[howlingwulff]

I'm 60 years old and I don't remember anything in the reg book ever saying within an inch of the mouth was legal. On the other hand the people lining steelbows said it all the time. So did the people running cleaning stations.

 

[CTobias]

An article about beads.....

Ready or not…here I CHUM!!

 

[Walter H]

Thank you OP for your post. I’ve seen tons of guys up in the Lake Ontario “Tribs” using these bead rigs. I’m not going to get into the whole “do they count as flies” debate, or are they ethical, etc. I’ve always found some of their rules a little bit ambivalent, so maybe if someone is thinking about using them in the fly only section they should CALL one of the DEC hotlines or look for a DEC enforcement officer. Never hurts to ask people in one of the agencies about these things<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
It was interesting to see that some have suggested that the trout bead rigs reduce mortality. I think if this is the case, I might try some next year. I see two potential weaknesses though. 1) The beads do slip, and pegging will cause line abrasion. 2) Trout beads are hard and have no “give”, where as Glo Bug type flies have some natural give, will your opportunity to set the hook be shorter with a trout bead? <o></o>
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[skipper3245]

I use almost solely beads when I egg fish. I have found that it is much easier to release a fish on beads, and 99% of the time it hooks the corner of their mouth. You can do alot with these beads that you cannot do with glo bugs. I coat all of my beads with a non toxic nail polish and you can give it a translucent look and much more real. You can make bead sacs. I use 2-3x tippet for my bead rig so I have run into few occasions that I have broke off due to pegging. I find that with glo bugs the fish has a much higher chance of swallowing the hook. Also if you go barbless on the stinger hook, it is very very ethical to use this rig.

 

[CTobias]

I’ve always found some of their rules a little bit ambivalent, so maybe if someone is thinking about using them in the fly only section they should CALL one of the DEC hotlines or look for a DEC enforcement officer.

You can't fish beads in the fly zone. I've already spoken to the Encon Officers up there, besides the definition of a "fly" is clear in the NYS freshwater fishing rulees and regulations book.

Artificial fly means a hook with no more than two points dressed with feathers, hair, thread, tinsel or any similar material to which no additional hooks, spinners, spoons or similar devices have been added.
Angling Definitions - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation