Net Neutrality

[golden beetle]

I have often wondered about net neutrality, and how it would affect my online magazine and its 6 subscribers.

I didn't have an opinion, until now...

I just cut and paste tomfly's posts, and forwarded them to the FCC, telling them to do the opposite...

 

[golden beetle]

No one debated that voice runs over UDP and not TCP. TCP has too much over head for voice to work electively If a packet gets dropped the voice signaling is not effected. It When you talk about compression algorithms. They are not accomplished at the lower layers of The OSI model. But Net neutrality is. That is where the problems will occur.

Did you ever finish your net?

 

[tomfly]

Did you ever finish your net?

I have 3 finished. I am getting better at it each time. I have 2 more ideas I want to try. One is a scallop design, the other is a cradle design. When I get the other 2 finished and install the net bags I will post pictures.

 

[golden beetle]

I have 3 finished. I am getting better at it each time. I have 2 more ideas I want to try. One is a scallop design, the other is a cradle design. When I get the other 2 finished and install the net bags I will post pictures.

Post pics asap of the new work.

I have the pic you posted of your first...

 

[moosekid]

No one debated that voice runs over UDP and not TCP. TCP has too much over head for voice to work electively If a packet gets dropped the voice signaling is not effected. It When you talk about compression algorithms. They are not accomplished at the lower layers of The OSI model. But Net neutrality is. That is where the problems will occur.

Never really tried to debate. Just claimed to be an expert in AV over IP solutions in a UDP environment. To be clear, I don't work in VOIP -- I'm a broadcasting engineer. My thesis (I do not have a masters degree but my undergrad. required us to do a thesis) was a live jazz concert. The drummer was in Berkeley, the bass player was in Tromso Norway, the trumpet player was in Seoul, South Korea, and I played Piano in a poorly attended theater in the village. I had to build 8 linux machines, but was able to achieve audio @ 48 K, 24 Bit and H.264 video with less than 7 ms of latency, such that we could all play and improvise in real time...think of it as skype with HD audio and video and nominal delay...This was the only system I've ever designed by myself but I have an intimate knowledge of the siriusXM airchain, our webstreaming app, and the shitty audio quality that we provide to north america...

..so far as your comment on compression algorithms optimized for adaptive bit-rate streaming, i'm not so sure I follow. The heavy lifting is done in the server's encoder, relying on feedback from the client to inform it's decisions...i simply teach the encoder how to cut corners when it has to...

If you wanna tell multiplexer stories I've got a good one for you. I once spent 17 hours straight re-programming a statmux card. I was replacing a bad PS in the Space Multiplexer (a unit that takes all 160+ SiriusXM channels and sums them into one bit stream before sending them down 12 DS3s to our various uplink sites) and it caught fire, leaving us with no redundancy. It was easy to repopulate the frame with the necessary components but getting the statmux to play ball was a bitch...

...I'm sure your networking chops are far superior to mine, but until this thing is actually implemented and, more importantly, OVERSEEN -- i'm not drinking the cool-aid.

 

[moosekid]

I'm your huckleberry

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpj7o_kNJ48&autoplay=1

are you a tech guy, macfly?? or are you just a little cocky because you we're better with an abacus than the rest of the kids in your college classes??

 

[tomfly]

Never really tried to debate. Just claimed to be an expert in AV over IP solutions in a UDP environment. To be clear, I don't work in VOIP -- I'm a broadcasting engineer. My thesis (I do not have a masters degree but my undergrad. required us to do a thesis) was a live jazz concert. The drummer was in Berkeley, the bass player was in Tromso Norway, the trumpet player was in Seoul, South Korea, and I played Piano in a poorly attended theater in the village. I had to build 8 linux machines, but was able to achieve audio @ 48 K, 24 Bit and H.264 video with less than 7 ms of latency, such that we could all play and improvise in real time...think of it as skype with HD audio and video and nominal delay...This was the only system I've ever designed by myself but I have an intimate knowledge of the siriusXM airchain, our webstreaming app, and the shitty audio quality that we provide to north america...

..so far as your comment on compression algorithms optimized for adaptive bit-rate streaming, i'm not so sure I follow. The heavy lifting is done in the server's encoder, relying on feedback from the client to inform it's decisions...i simply teach the encoder how to cut corners when it has to...

If you wanna tell multiplexer stories I've got a good one for you. I once spent 17 hours straight re-programming a statmux card. I was replacing a bad PS in the Space Multiplexer (a unit that takes all 160+ SiriusXM channels and sums them into one bit stream before sending them down 12 DS3s to our various uplink sites) and it caught fire, leaving us with no redundancy. It was easy to repopulate the frame with the necessary components but getting the statmux to play ball was a bitch...

...I'm sure your networking chops are far superior to mine, but until this thing is actually implemented and, more importantly, OVERSEEN -- i'm not drinking the cool-aid.

It is going to take a while to be enacted. This is going to go through the courts.

 

[MACFLY]

are you a tech guy, macfly?? or are you just a little cocky because you we're better with an abacus than the rest of the kids in your college classes??

You mean you never heard of me. I Invented the Internet you boob

 

[tomfly]

Post pics asap of the new work.

I have the pic you posted of your first...

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did you hack my cloud space. That is the 3rd net you should see the first 2

 

[mudbug201]

This post represents a complete misunderstanding of the issue at hand.

No, we just disagree. Nothing you said suggests that I misunderstood anything. It just represents a different spin on the issue.

Fuck it. Feel like I'm lecturing my five year old. Goodnight.

 

[MACFLY]

I have often wondered about net neutrality, and how it would affect my online magazine and its 6 subscribers.

I didn't have an opinion, until now...

I just cut and paste tomfly's posts, and forwarded them to the FCC, telling them to do the opposite...

You have nothing to worry about either way

 

[MACFLY]

No, we just disagree. Nothing you said suggests that I misunderstood anything. It just represents a different spin on the issue.

Fuck it. Feel like I'm lecturing my five year old. Goodnight.

No it's a misrepresentation. You chalk this up to right wing overreaction to the president. It's tired mudbug. Net neutrality is a solution in search of a problem that doesn't exist. If you feel comfortable with a regulation that was never given public scrutiny and in which the author refused to testify you are a bigger boob then I realized. Now go lecture your 5 year old.. He probably finds you as amusing as I do.

 

[tomfly]

Mudbug Capitalism is what built this country, and without the carriers the internet would not exist. Mac is right the Web works fantastic the way it is. It is because it is unregulated. The quintessential monument to unbridled capitalism. The internet has progressed form no one heard of it to everybody is connected just in the past 30 years. name another industry that has that kind of advancement in the same time frame.
Just look at the innovation that has come out because of the Web. Where else can bunch of Boobs solve the worlds problems on a fly fishing site. The truth is if the carriers can't make money because some content provider feels they were wronged. It is putting a stopper in the drain and will trickle down to all the tech companies that need the Webs accelerated advances to survive.

 

[golden beetle]

No, we just disagree. Nothing you said suggests that I misunderstood anything. It just represents a different spin on the issue.

Fuck it. Feel like I'm lecturing my five year old. Goodnight.

i actually did write the fcc about this, and it appears that they went with my suggestions.

this is a pro beetle FCC.

perhaps they read GB mag???

Anyway...

i wrote this:

I hope the FCC does the right thing and upholds net neutrality.* The immediate impact of ending net neutrality would be bad.* Smaller interests on the Internet would have to pay a higher percentage of their revenues to compete with larger interests, with more money to afford the fastest service.* This is a regressive tax on speech with an option not to pay, which amounts to a First Amendment that is "pay to play" with an option not to speak or be heard.* Nope.

 

[tomfly]

If you are liberal or concretive this quote should concern you.

This was quoted by Tom Wheeler FCC chairmen.

"my proposal includes a general conduct rule that can be used to stop new and novel threats to the Internet. This means the action we take will be strong enough and flexible enough not only to deal with the realities of today, but also to establish ground rules for the as yet unimagined.”

If that is not a definition of content filtering and censorship. Then I do not know what is. The "General Conduct Rule" was in the FCC rules that passed.

 

[MACFLY]

i actually did write the fcc about this, and it appears that they went with my suggestions.

this is a pro beetle FCC.

perhaps they read GB mag???

Anyway...

i wrote this:

I hope the FCC does the right thing and upholds net neutrality.* The immediate impact of ending net neutrality would be bad.* Smaller interests on the Internet would have to pay a higher percentage of their revenues to compete with larger interests, with more money to afford the fastest service.* This is a regressive tax on speech with an option not to pay, which amounts to a First Amendment that is "pay to play" with an option not to speak or be heard.* Nope.

After they read this I imagine they sent folks to your apartment for an intervent.. I mean conversation

 

[golden beetle]

After they read this I imagine they sent folks to your apartment for an intervent.. I mean conversation

Do you know what net neutrality is?

I guess it could be me who doesbt understand.

So lets find out what it means, ok?

 

[Trout Nazi]

Do you know what net neutrality is?

I guess it could be me who doesbt understand.

So lets find out what it means, ok?

It was explained very neatly in the first post. You don't work at one of those 10 schools in the Bronx that the governor is all wound up about, do you?

 

[MACFLY]

Do you know what net neutrality is?

I guess it could be me who doesbt understand.

So lets find out what it means, ok?

It's you definitely

 

[golden beetle]

It's you definitely

Ok. I guess that does it?

 

[MACFLY]

Ok. I guess that does it?

It's not really a question

 

[MACFLY]

The reality of what net neutrality really means
http://tucker.liberty.me/2015/02/26/net-neutrality-triumph-of-the-ruling-class/#.VPIUGpFOkh8.twitter

 

[golden beetle]

The reality of what net neutrality really means
Net Neutrality: Triumph of the Ruling Class - Beautiful Anarchy

This is dead wrong.

A whopper that would have made Goebbels himself proud.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

[MACFLY]

This is dead wrong.

A whopper that would have made Goebbels himself proud.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Beetle what you just stated above is a rant nothing more. Refute it point by point because all you have done thus far spout silliness.

 

[golden beetle]

Beetle what you just stated above is a rant nothing more. Refute it point by point because all you have done thus far spout silliness.

"Net Neutrality: Triumph of the Ruling Class"

Ok. I've posted the article title above.

And it begs the questions...

1. Who won?

2. Are the winners the "RULING CLASS?"

Now, I know who "lost."

A few broadband providers who were told that they couldn't charge different rates to different consumers...

As in cheaper rates for big business, and more expensive rates for their smaller competitors.

So, it seems, that it isn't big business and the Verizons that provide service that's the "ruling class."

Instead, its the guy like me who wants to host a website and express my opinions who is the "ruling class."

Right?

 

[MACFLY]

Wow you really didn't read the article at all

"Net Neutrality: Triumph of the Ruling Class"

Ok. I've posted the article title above.

And it begs the questions...

1. Who won?

2. Are the winners the "RULING CLASS?"

Now, I know who "lost."

A few broadband providers who were told that they couldn't charge different rates to different consumers...

As in cheaper rates for big business, and more expensive rates for their smaller competitors.

So, it seems, that it isn't big business and the Verizons that provide service that's the "ruling class."

Instead, its the guy like me who wants to host a website and express my opinions who is the "ruling class."

Right?

 

[tomfly]

Wow you really didn't read the article at all

That's because it was not picture book.

 

[CTobias]

And I thought an ATM was where you could get cash out of your bank account.....:nose-picking:

I thought it mean ass to mouth?

 

[CTobias]

I'm your huckleberry

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpj7o_kNJ48&autoplay=1

It's actually hucklebearer. Which in modern comparison, is a pallbearer.

 

[CTobias]

My solution will be to get rid of having the internet in our house. We all need to be fishing more anyways.

Hopefully the cost of internet service sky rockets, which will in turn cause there to be less people posting hero shots, which will cause less people to be on the water during prime time, because they wont know when the "bite" is on.