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Politicians are all the same
- Thread starter Pete
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This one gets my dander up. Politicians do have similarities the world over, but the misery, cronyism, corruption, and huge loss of human potential created by authoritarian leaders has no parallel in a Western democracy, as messy as we are. Obamacare or average male lifespan of 55 years? I'll pick Obamacare. Russia is no democracy; democracy can be an awkward, crazy, splintered form of government, but the alternative is awful.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
For CMM .....
The affordable care act isn't an example of a democracy. It's an example of where we could be headed of we don't pay closer attention to our democracy and more importantly our personal liberty.
golden beetle
Active member
Good point.
Basic human rights must be respected here, and you are absolutely right to speak loud and proud in favor of universal healthcare in America.
I know, the rich who owned slaves cried loud and even rebelled at the prospect of losing their personal, human chattel, and they are crying again about basic rights being extended to all today.
Some things never change.
Great post, Mac.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
When you can show me in any of our founding documents that we are all entitled to healthcare from our government we can talk. Of course that doesn't exist. Now if you wish to pass a constitutional amendment that all citizens should have basic healthcare perhaps that's a more valid argument and at least that would ensure the states would have some say in the matter. Instead we have a law (the aca) that was passed by buying votes and lying to the public about its true intent. Hardly an example of democracy in America now is it
golden beetle
Active member
What founding documents?
The one that says African Americans are three fifths of a human being?
Perhaps those documents would support your argument.
Rusty Spinner
Active member
So you point to a single flaw in the US Constitution that was long ago corrected and say "let's toss that document out the window"? Typical liberal garbage.
golden beetle
Active member
I'm not saying toss it out and forget it completely.
It would look good in a museum, perhaps the Museum of the American Slave Trade.
But I would definitely scrap it and rewrite.
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I feel the founders were being generous with that allotment.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
I'm sure if you were there you would have convinced all the delegates from the south to do the right thing. I doubt you even know why that happened in the first place. I know you like to think creating a new nation is a simple and clean process. I'm sure with your 20/20 hindsight you can point out all of the things they got wrong. Perhaps though the proper way to look at it is that they gave us a framework to begin as a nation and a way to fix things as we evolved (that's a constitutional amendment in case you forgot). In conclusion I'm gonna side with the folks that were actually willing to sacrifice themselves to get to the point where we could create a constitution. After all They pledged their own life and liberty and sacred honor to do so. I just don't think anything you can say would compare. Now if you want to suit up and stand the line to defend all that has been given to you I might change my mind.
MACFLY
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tomfly
The only thing left should be foot prints.
If you want to portray proper historical data, replace rich with democrats. If I recall my history correctly. Republicans voted 100% to abolish slavery . The Democrats voted 83% to keep slaves in chains.
MACFLY
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This is the progressive mindset. See my response to this boob
golden beetle
Active member
I consider the Founding Fathers to be great men.
The Constitution is pretty good, too.
Canada's is much better
So is Mexico's.
To honor the Founding Fathers. I feel you and I should open a burger chain, and use the Constitution to wrap our burgers.
We can put the bad parts, like the three-fifths clause, on the toilet paper.
MACFLY
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Yes Mexico seems to be thriving under their constitution. Your degree from NU loses it's value with every post you make.
golden beetle
Active member
Have you even read the Mexican Constitution?
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
No, but when I dialed in to hear the audio version they didn't offer an option of hitting two for English.
Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
I like that idea, let's be like the Mexicans, at least their corruption is overt. I can finally start my own personal cartel, with government backing.
Pete
Trout Hunter
http://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/en/mex/en_mex-int-text-const.pdf
Don't be misled by the start of Article 10, the "except" clause made reality more restrictive than most of our States. A case where laws can be written to limit the constitution.
Maybe the liberals should all move to Mexico, where they can feel safe...
Don't be misled by the start of Article 10, the "except" clause made reality more restrictive than most of our States. A case where laws can be written to limit the constitution.
Maybe the liberals should all move to Mexico, where they can feel safe...
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I would like to move there as well. i would like to permanently reside in an all-inclusive resort where i can walk around sporting my banana hammock all day.
lightenup
A fan of Boobery
CTobias
Professional BS'r
You do realize that Africans kidnapped other Africans to sell into the slave trade. Also, shipping companies from the North transported those slaves. The first registered slave owner in Virginia was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
Free black men from Louisiana fought for the Confederacy.
America is a Republic, not a democracy.
There is a difference between having health insurance and receiving health care. The ACA is a scam and needs to be abolished. Just like slavery was. Too bad most Americans are still slaves to the banksters in the form of debt.
CTobias
Professional BS'r
Canada is full of progressives like you. Just look at their crappy health system.
I hate to break it to you beetle, but you and those who think like you would have been on the receiving end of the founding father's long guns. Our founding father's would have been fighting by now and I'm sure they're rolling over in their graves as progressives work to transform America into their utopian experiment.
Just remember, only 3% of the population fought in the revolution and only 10% supported the revolutionary fighters. The rest were a bunch of pansies who supported the red coats.
mob201
Joe's Hopper
CTobias
Professional BS'r
If you like your plan you can keep your plan.
If the ACA is so great, why did the majority of the politicians opt out of participating in it?
MACFLY
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CTobias
Professional BS'r
Yes he is playing us all. He is really a closet conservative
Beetle is a probably a pure libertarian. I bet he has read "End the Fed" by Ron Paul. Heck, I bet he has a Rand Paul 2016 bumper sticker.
He's just masquerading as a progressive kool aid drinking boob. We are catching on to him though.
Fool me once.....uh...errrr
calling America communist because of Obamacare or anything else for that matter is truly a huge fuck you to everyone killed or otherwise repressed by the Soviet Union, The Stasi, and Castro. Not to mention the Chinese. When you get sent to Siberia for your spew, then we have a problem.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Whee did that come from?
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